@jon I do appreciate this perspective as well. Perhaps it’s about finding the right words. I obviously put these thoughts out there to gather how others reason. I’ve been reacting a lot lately to expressions of “good” use disregarding any second or third order thinking.
Not sure I would agree it’s absolutist though, for me it’s about choosing to weigh in impact beyond immediate personal benefits and reasoning around them.
The question of “useful” always for me ends up at needing to understand useful for who, at who’s expense? And from there: is it worth it? Perhaps, for many it, is. A great many people of course have no awareness at all of the harm, in my experience.
I’d also emphasize that I am adressing the modern flavor of generative AI, rather than all the many flavors of machine automation. For translation, transcription and similar applications – within a dominant language – I’d argue that large language models are incredibly useful. For many other applications it’s both deceptive and harmful, even ones where it’s argued they provide value. And so, I have to reason around if the positive applications are worth the many and varied costs, and hence can be considered good applications for the goals they help achieve (goals which likely can be arrived at in many other ways as well).
Clearly I’m concerned when the primary beneficiaries are those who are already well-off, and the sufferers are those who are subjected to exploitation time and time again. Much of the generative AI world amplifies this arrangement. Perhaps it’s unfair of me to judge someone’s experience of useful and good under this light, but I’m having a really hard time accepting those conclusions when they risk exacerbating harm…
I’m going to give this some more thought and work it into some writing on my blog… thanks for offering objection, and sorry about a wall of unfinished pondering - much of how I reasoned was perhaps obvious.
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@highvizghilliesuit True. Though I feel for example the exploitation of cheap and underage labor has spun out of control. And general awareness about all these issues is higher. So then it becomes a question of balance, scale, opting for one methodology over another.
@creative_xl8 @hsorlie Thanks. I can also suggest these two posts for more references. It's obviously a bit much for a 5-10 minutes presentation but might provide some new ideas and arguments.
The Elements of AI Ethics
https://axbom.com/aielements/
AI responsibility in a hyped-up world
https://axbom.com/ai-responsibility/
If one ever wants to dig deeper there's also my collection of 3,000+ articles 😅:
https://raindrop.io//digital-ethics-6334413
https://raindrop.io/axbom/digital-ethics-6334413
@datarama I think you’re onto something here. Hygge is an excellent example. One big clue is that essentially all books written on ikigai are written by non-Japanese. All the blogs and youtube video you find will be from non-Japanese people. Because the Japanese haven’t seen any need to write a book about something a word that is used in common language every day to just mention something that you love to do and makes your life worthwhile. There is no deeper philosophy hidden there.
The reason the podcast may be worth listening to is because it’s just interviews with people doing cool things and finding meaning in this. It overlaps with wellbeing and mindfulness, far from having “what you can get paid for” as a prerequisite. 😁
@HistoPol Scan done and back in waiting room. Went well. Had a conversation with the CT operator about how the note about my allergy only appears in the database for this hospital and if I go somewhere else they may not have access to this info.
This is sadly the state of healthcare in Sweden, and many other countries of course - that the different IT systems don't talk to each other. There's a lot of things to keep track of and report yourself, some of them life critical.
Like the yellow card for vaccinations I would really like to see a small booklet (or other solution) that a patient can carry with them for all this important info. Obviously there are risks with this as well, but it's design challenge I would be interested in tackling.
@HistoPol Thanks. Yes, I'm meeting with the doctor right after the scan and will bring this up. You're right that many people won't be as confident asking questions and calling attention to discrepancies.
I ask for everything in writing and last time one of the nurses wrote a great text for me detailing everything that would happen to me. Otherwise I would not have known myself… 😬
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